Quick Jump
This is part 2 of a 4 part series (read part 1, part 3, part 4)
- Using a clay bar to properly prep the surface
- Polishing your paint to a swirl free finish
- Measuring the paint’s thickness
- Properly taping your vehicle prior to polishing
- Choosing the right polish
- Using the proper amount of polish
- Results after one pass of Menzerna Power Finish on an orange pad
- Polishing lower panels with problem areas
- Removing deep etchings from the paint
- Safely polishing the trunk lid
- Removing scrapes, scratches and other deep imperfections
- Safely polishing pillars
- Alcohol wipe down after polishing
- Post-polish clean up with ONR
- Protecting your paint with a sealant
Using a clay bar to properly prep the surface (Return to Top)
Next up is to clay the surface to remove any contaminants that still sit on the paint. After you’ve washed your car and it is still wet, you can lightly glide your hand across the surface to see if it’s completely smooth, or if you feel any rough areas. The contaminants causing the rough feeling need to be removed. I recommend using a clay bar at least once per year (after coming out of winter) to keep the finish looking its best.
Since Acura paint (and most Japanese manufacturers) mar so easily, you want to do this process very carefully if you’re not planning to polish afterwards. I recommend using the DI fine grade clay bar, and Dodo Juice Born Slippy clay lube. Remember during the process to use very light pressure and to use plenty of lubricant to protect the finish from marring. For a complete step-by-step guide, please refer to my Tutorial on Proper Clay Bar Usage.
Start with a fresh piece of clay.
Apply plenty of clay lube, and lightly glide the clay across the surface in a straight back and forth motion. You should hear and feel the clay picking up contaminants.
On most cars you will find that the most contaminated areas are the horizontal surfaces, the areas just behind the wheels, and the front and back bumpers.
Polishing your paint to a swirl free finish (Return to Top)
Measuring the paints thickness (Return to Top)
So far I’ve covered techniques and methods that can and should be performed by enthusiasts at all levels. Now I’m going to go over more advanced topics, but I don’t want the average enthusiasts to stop reading here! There is still plenty to discuss and learn, and later I will be reviewing interior detailing that everybody will benefit from.
The next step is to take some paint thickness readings to see if any work has previously been done to it. While I’m looking for overall thickness, I’m mainly looking for consistencies. If I find an area that’s very thin or thick compared to the rest of the vehicle, then I know it’s been worked on (body work or heavy compounding) and will treat it accordingly. If I find a thin area in particular, I’ll be extra cautious and only lightly polish it.
Here I’m using my DeFelsko PosiTest DFT paint thickness gauge, and the readings are consistent with what are normal on Acuras.
Properly taping your vehicle prior to polishing (Return to Top)
Once the car has been clayed and wiped down, and measurements taken, it’s now time to prep for polishing by taping up plastic and rubber trim, and other areas that can get damaged by the polisher. Some polishes have a tendency to stain black plastics and rubber, so you want to be sure to get it all covered up. I find that 3M’s blue painter’s tape works perfectly, and is readily available at your local home improvement store.
On the TL doors, the rubber seal comes over the top edge of the door, and then overlaps the pillar above it. This is a common area to get stained by polish or wax, so you definitely want to cover it up. Instead of just taping directly over it, I’ll open the door and cover the inner and outer area (fold it over). This way it’s covered, and you can still get in and out of the car if needed.
Other areas you need to be careful of on the TL’s are the hood and trunk. If you look closely at the seams where the hood/trunk lid and fenders meet, they are not even (especially the trunk area closest to the rear windshield). If you try to polish over these, there’s a good chance you could burn through the paint on the higher of the two surfaces if not careful. This is more of an issue when using a rotary versus a random orbital, but better safe than sorry!
What I’ll do is tape over the hood-side of the edge and tuck it into the seam when polishing the fender. When I move on to polishing the hood, then I’ll remove the tape from that side, and move it over to the fender. You could also just apply the tape where it adheres to both edges and covers the seam…whatever works best for you. The key is to always be careful at seams, edges, and high spots because that’s where the paint is typically the thinnest.
Choosing the proper polish (Return to Top)
Are you ready to start polishing (finally)?
Since I know the Acura paint so well, I had a plan of attack for polish and pad combinations based on the level of correction it required. I grabbed for an orange Lake Country pad (light cutting), and a bottle of Menzerna PO203S Power Finish. This is a medium-cut polish that finishes down extremely well. I could have used a heavier polish (Menzerna SIP) and a less aggressive pad (white polishing), but it wouldn’t have finished off as well. The goal is to use just enough cut with first polish and finish down as nicely as possible so that your final polish step is much easier. NBP finishes extremely well with Menzerna PO85RD, and the combination of PO203S/orange allowed me to go straight to the ultra-fine PO85RD afterwards.
Using the proper amount of polish (Return to Top)
Just 3 or 4 small drops of polish is all that is required for a working area (the bonus dribble in the middle is unnecessary).
Results after one pass of Menzerna Power Finish on an orange pad (Return to Top)
Here is the fender before. Notice that it is hazed over with fine scratches and swirls that prevent the blue flake from showing that well.
After just one pass of Power Finish / orange pad on the Makita rotary. I first worked the polish in at 900rpm’s for a few passes, then kicked it up to 1500rpm until the polish was fully broken down, and then backed it down to 900 rpm’s for a few more passes to burnish the paint and leave a nice finish.
Look at the difference in clarity in the before and after photos. This first step restored the natural deep blacks, and allowed the blue flake to show through.
Polishing lower panels with problem areas (Return to Top)
Now it’s time to move on to the hideous rocker panels. This is always the worst area of every TL, and I knew it would require more aggressive tactics to get it looking good. I knew that some of the defects would be too deep to safely remove, but if I could at least get it 80% corrected I would be happy, and the transformation would be huge.
For this area I used Megs 105 and an orange 4″ spot pad. After a couple of passes, all of the swirls were gone, leaving just some of the deeper imperfections.
Sorry that this photo wasn’t in better focus…it’s hard to get these shots perfect while lying on the floor in poor lighting. It sure looked good in the viewfinder after I took it.
Removing deep etchings from the paint (Return to Top)
I’ve moved my way around to the back of the TL, and it was time to tackle the heavy stain. You can see here how severe it was in addition to the general cloudiness of the paint because of swirls and scratches.
First I tried the regular combination I was using on the rest of the car (Power Finish/orange), but the stain laughed at me! It was personal at this point so I broke out the big guns…Purple Foamed Wool pad primed with Megs 105. I hit it at 1500rpm for a bit and then checked my work to see how the stain looked. I was happy to see that I made a major dent in it, and then applied more 105 and hit it again. I was able to get rid of about 98% of the stain, as it left some very slight but deep etching into the clear. You had to really look hard to even see it.
As is to be expected, the Purple Foamed Wool left a bit of marring and holograms on the soft Acura paint, so I went back over it with the combination of Power Finish and an orange pad to clean it up.
Polish worked until broken down, and ready to be removed.
All cleared up! Look at the difference between this photo and the first one that showed the stain and haziness. Big transformation!
Safely polishing the trunk lid (Return to Top)
For working on the back face of the trunk lid, you need to prop it open to safely polish the lower portion…otherwise you risk damaging the top face of the bumper underneath. For this I simply place a bottle of polish on either side of the trunk jambs to prop it open.
And here you can see how much easier it is to polish these areas.
Just keep the trunk lid open to work on this part of the bumper with a 4″ spot pad. This is typically another area of the car that gets abused pretty badly because of getting stuff in and out of the trunk. And there’s no need for grey-hair comments here…I’m completely aware!
Removing scrapes, scratches and other deep imperfections (Return to Top)
As I work my way around to the right side of the TL, I start to encounter all of the scrapes. Here’s a bit on the right rear fender.
Once again…big difference in the color and the blue really shines through now.
More scrapes, and more cloudy finish.
Afterwards it looks like a completely different panel.
I’m just hanging out in the garage…on the floor…taking pictures of myself. I think the high heat and humidity are getting to me.
Remember how bad the lower rocker panels looked in the first photos? There was no reflection in them whatsoever. Now look at them…like mirrors! Proper leveling of the painted finishes really creates a high level of reflectivity.
I kept my TL-S parked right behind the one I was working on so I had an easy reference for the gloss level of the finish. Since I had not gotten to final polishing yet, my TL-S still had the edge…more work to be done!
The hood typically gets beat up quite a bit, and requires more effort than most parts of the car. This TL was no exception.
First I polished it with Purple Foamed Wool and Power Finish to remove the deeper defects, and then followed that up with an orange pad and Power Finish to remove the haze left by the heavy-cutting wool. Even before the final polish you can see that the clarity is greatly improved.
Safely polishing pillars (Return to Top)
These pillars are soft, and get swirled and scratched very easily. This is another area where people like to grab hold of to close the door. They polished out easily with a 4″ white pad and Power Finish.
Jeweling your paint to a new level of gloss and depth (Return to Top)
I’ve finally completed the first polishing stage to remove all of the defects, so I’m ready to go back over the entire car with Menzerna PO85RD ultra-fine polish to jewel the finish and bring out the highest gloss possible. I did this step with a very soft blue (finessing) pad. The most effective method I have found for this polish is to work it in at 900rpm, then move my way up to about 1400rpm with medium pressure, and then back it down to 900rpm with no pressure and slow passes for as long as you can work the polish without it drying up. This ensures maximum gloss and clarity without any worries of holograms.
PO85RD is arguably one of the absolute best ultra-fine polishes available, and it is very easy to work with. When you think that the finish looks good, you can almost always do another polishing step by using PO85RD and take the gloss to another level. In polishing, there’s a significant difference between a finish that looks good, and one that looks great!
Post-polish alcohol wipe down and clean up (Return to Top)
All the polishing is now completed, I have thoroughly removed all of the polish and carrier oils from the surface by (gently) wiping it down with a plush towel and Isopropyl Alcohol, and I’m getting ready to start cleaning polish dust out of door jambs, the trunk area, etc. I wanted to snap a few photos before applying sealant so that you can see the true condition of the paint. As I’m sure you will agree, the NBP now looks absolutely stunning!
Look at the clarity in the bumper. When you look into the reflections, it really looks like a mirror.
A few money shots for sure…
Post-polish clean up with ONR (Return to Top)
Now onto the dirty work of cleaning polishing dust out of everywhere. Even if you’re not polishing, these areas need to be tended to on occasion. The easiest solution I have found is to keep a spray bottle full of Optimum No Rinse at their quick detailer ratio on hand. Lightly spray the area and wipe it down with a clean microfiber towel. This works great for the trunk lid, inside the hood, door jambs, and for the fuel fill area.
After
Protecting your paint with a sealant (Return to Top)
Once all of that is cleaned up, it’s time to do the final step on the painted surfaces…apply a durable and long lasting sealant. Today I chose to use Blackfire’s Wet Diamond sealant applied by PC 7424XP on a blue finishing pad. I have found that both the Blackfire and Optimum Opti-Seal look tremendous on NBP, so you can’t go wrong either way. For more in-depth information on both products, please refer to product reviews I have written about both of them: Blackfire’s Wet Diamond Paint Sealant Review & Optimum Opti-Seal Review.
Polished, sealed, and waiting for finishing touches.
This is part 2 of a 4 part series (read part 1, part 3, part 4)
If you have any additional comments or questions, please submit your reply in the comment box below.










Hi Todd, I’m wondering when you’re polishing this TL, did you just stick with the orange Lake County pad? Or did you use a black pad for finishing? I too have an NBP Acura, and your tutorial has help me understand polishing a lot better.
Thank you,
Eric
Eric,
Thanks for your response. After polishing with the orange pad and PO203S, I went back over the entire car during the finish polishing/jeweling stage with Menzerna PO85RD and a blue LC finishing pad. Please refer to the section above titled: “Jeweling your paint…”. This step really brings out the clarity and gloss in the paint.
Thanks again,
Todd Cooperider
Thanks for the response Todd. Just wondering, why didn’t you go with the black finishing pad?
-Eric
Actually, nevermind, I think I know why.
Hi Todd,
I’m hoping you still see these comments.
I have a 2002 NBP Acura RSX-S, am 23, don’t have a garage for it
and am just trying to take care of the NBP. I am wondering what the difference is between the DAS Ultimate Detailing Machine XP by Porter Cable and the Porter Cable 7424XP you use is. They look very similar. I can only afford one buffer/polisher and am searching for the right one.
Thank you so much for you detailed blogs,
Nate
Nate,
I used to own an RSX-S myself…fun car!
Getting yourself a PC7424XP will be a great investment for maintaining the NBP finish, and you’ll be amazed at the results you’ll be able to achieve in a short period of time.
I’m not sure if there are any differences between the two, so why not just get the original Porter Cable 7424XP! It’s a fantastic machine…
Thanks,
Todd
Todd,
I noticed you used a Makita. I am new to detailing and plan on buying a PC 7424XP and was seeing if the pad/polish combo would be the same on a PC? Also, how would you rate Honda cleaning products? I’ve used the Honda Cleaner Polish and liked the results. I’ve also used their interior cleaning products but do not know if there would be a significant difference to the products you have stated. Thank you so much for your posts as they’ve helped me understand how to properly care for my car as I recently bought a 2010 TSX and want to do things right from the start but currently on a semi-tight budget.
Thanks,
Fabian
Fabian,
As far as the pad/polish combo goes for your TSX, it really depends on the level of correction that you may need to do. If you just wanted to make an initial investment in tools and polishes to get you started, and want products that get great results (and user-friendly), you may want to consider the following items:
Porter Cable 7424XP
6″ Backing Plate
2) Lake Country Orange Pads
2) Lake Country White Pads
2) Lake Country Black Pads
Optimum Polish II (for medium to fine correction)
Optimum Finish Polish (for fine correction and maintenance polishing).
Optimum Opti-Seal or Blackfire Wet Diamond (sealants)
As for the Honda products, I can’t comment on their quality in comparison to name brands because I do not use them. OEM’s will typically have these products private-labeled, so it’s hard to say exactly what products you may be comparing them to.
I hope this helps.
Thanks,
Todd
Todd,
Thanks again for the information! My 2010 CBP TSX just has some minor scratches from winter, in which I brushed off the snow from the car as I don’t have a garage and left some visible scratches. I’m confident in the selection that you advised me will help me get my car looking great again. Another thing is that my sister’s car is a 2004 NBP TSX and was in the similar state as the car you did in this article sans the milk stain. Would the products you recommended me also work for her setup or should I get something else in terms of polish/pad combo for the PC7424XP?
Thanks again Todd. You are the man!!!
Fabian.
Fabian,
NBP is pretty soft and corrects pretty easily, however if you have defects similar to what were on the TL, then you may want to step up in the level of aggressiveness. The Menzerna PO203S and Orange pad combo with the PC works very well, and then you’d want to refine it afterwards with something like a black pad and the Finish Polish.
Thanks,
Todd
Todd,
Sorry to bother you again, but I ended up buying a Flex XC 3401 VRG. I plan on buying Menzerna PO203S and PO85RD. What pads should I use with the Flex then? I’ve been told to use this combo: PO203s/LC green pads and PO85RD/black pads. Would this be correct? I’ve been told that the LC white pads will leave micro marring on the clear coat. I also plan on using Collinite No.476s as my wax too. I’ve also been told to use 5.5″ pads for my flexibility around tight spots and to keep the dust level down as they have more direct contact with the vehicle and don’t create as much dust.
They aren’t too many combos that I’ve found for the Flex for the soft Japanese paint.
Thank you again!
Hi Fabian, and congrats on the Flex purchase.
You’ll find that there are a lot of different combinations possible with pads and polishes, so keep that in mind when working on the car. Always work with your least aggressive combination first and adjust from there.
The plan you have there with PO203S/Green, followed by PO85RD/Black sounds pretty solid to me. Just take your time with the finishing step to extract the most gloss possible. After you’ve broken down the PO85RD on a higher speed, back it down a couple of notches and work the clear polish as long as you can with very light pressure. Patience pays off with this polish.
Take care,
Todd
Another quick question.
When I am going to clay….
I have a few “dime” rust spots..(1) how and what would should I use to remove them. and (2) clay before or afterwards?
Dan
Dan,
Is the rust under the paint (like a bubble), or on top of the surface, or in a rock chip? If it’s on the surface or in a rock chip, you might try some polish or compound by hand in that small area to see if you can get rid of it. I’d then clay afterwards just so you’re not getting very abrasive rust particles in your clay.
I see you wiped down the vehicle with Isopropyl Alcohol after applying all the polishes.
This won’t remove the gloss produced from using the polishes, especially after using PO85RD?
I thought the alcohol rubdown is down after washing but before claying to remove old wax and sealants. Or this done here in the post for a different purpose?
Thanks again,
David
David,
If you want to get the best results out of your sealant or wax, it’s a good idea to remove the polishing oils from the surface first to ensure a good bond. You can either wash it with a strong solution, do an IPA wipedown, or use a product like Chemical Guys EZ Creme Glaze or 408 Vertua Bond between the polishing and sealing stages. And no, it won’t affect the gloss…
Thanks,
Todd
Amazing! I have a 04 NBP…Having the hardest time keeping it clean…and my detail doesn’t come close to your results!
Todd, amazing write up and great detail. The car turned out amazing. I have two questions for you though.
1) (dumb question but not sure) Once the polish or any other compound is applied, how do you remove it. Do you just buff it out with a clean pad that was the same as what the compound was applied with?
2) I have an 04 audi a4 that im looking to completely detail up finally. Any compound & pad suggestions for that paint type? Its dolphin gray by the way.
Thanks again, and amazing write up
-Jeff
Thank you Jeff.
1) After you have worked the polish with the buffer/pad, you remove it with a soft microfiber towel. Be sure to remove all of the polish residue and oils from the surface by spraying the panel with Isopropyl Alcohol and wiping it with your microfiber towels, or re-wash the vehicle. This will ensure that you get the best bond out of your wax or sealant that you use.
2) If you’re just starting out, I would recommend going no more aggressive than Menzerna Power Finish and a White pad on your PC7424 at speed 6. This will give a nice amount of cut, and will finish down very nicely too. This will be a great one-step option for that color.
Thanks,
Todd
Todd, thank you so much for the quick response! im absolutely enthralled by your write ups. the details are stunning as are your results. thanks again for the response and putting these tutorials up!
–Jeff
You’re very welcome Jeff! I’m glad to hear that you’ve found them to be helpful.
Regards,
Todd
Dear Todd,
Fantastic job on the TL-S. Those “money shots” are the reason why i’m starting to pay more attention to these details and want to make my NBP RSX with the same shine (or i’ll try to). Between claying, using Menzerna PO203 and Menzerna PO85RD and Blackfire wet diamond paint sealant, and actual driving, is there a minimum or maximum delay (waiting time)?
Thanks Will. Many people simply don’t realize how good a car can be made to look with proper detailing, and when they’re introduced to it through articles like this, they quickly become interested in detailing.
Once you’re done with the process, and have finished wiping down the Blackfire Wet Diamond (and any other areas), then you can go right out and drive the car and enjoy the new finish.
Take care,
Todd